Catapultam Habeo: In case you missed that…
Women in the U.S. spend an average of 13 hours a week on housework, while men spend an average of 4 hours.
White women are paid 74% of what white men are paid. African American women, 64%, Hispanic American women, 52%.
In other words, women are doing…
Be sure not to mention that women only work 74% of the time that men do, and that men do more difficult, dangerous jobs! Don’t mention that women who never marry make more than men!
And of course, there aren’t any studies that say men do an equal amount of housework, or that men do more difficult, repair jobs on their homes, unlike a lot of women. It couldn’t be that the women that “do more housework for no pay” actually do get money from their husbands, seeing as women spend more money than men, despite the fact that they make less.
And of course, men’s lives are just peachy! It must be all men’s fault that, as “oppressors,” not oppressed subjects, under the same patriarchy you rail about, they all just want to oppress women!
Anything opposite that information would make you a bad feminist and a logical human being who actually knows what the fuck patriarchy actually is. We wouldn’t want that now would we?
Bite me, you gender-biased, brainwashed moron.
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First, I have very different statistics for the number of American women who work for pay: In the U.S., between 50 and 59% of women work for pay (Joni Seager, 2005). Secondly, I’ll give you dangerous, but define “difficult” jobs. That’s a super vague and biased word. Third, I don’t see you offering up any studies that DO say that men do more housework.Of course you do, because you’re responding to something entirely different. You’re quoting employment rates, but that’s not what the statistic is about (and if you’d read the link you’d know that). The disparity in workplace participation is irrelevant here, because we’re talking about the wage per full-time worker related to the hours per full-time worker.
Of course, the article would have told you this, had you bothered to read it. The statistic as quoted is admittedly misleading. Full-time male workers work 9% more hours than female workers, accounting for over a third of that 23% gap. (Note, now down to 14% just based on men getting paid for the extra hours they work.) On top of that you have the side effect of men in the workplace averaging about 10% greater actual seniority, being more available and so on which makes up another small portion.
We then note that this isn’t controlling for actual job, so it’s ignoring the fact that men take on difficult, dangerous and stressful work because it pays more and women overwhelmingly don’t. Men are getting the danger pay because they’re taking the risks. The list goes on, and by the time things are compensated for the gap disappears.
Of course, you’d know that if you’d read the damn article. Is it so hard to click on a link and read rather than firing off a response in total ignorance of what’s been said?
As for housework, did you notice the link to a video titled “New Study: Men Pulling Their Weight At Home”? Of course you didn’t.
Sure, of course there are women who are full-time housewives, and it would make sense that they would do all the housework. But there are also about 50% of U.S. women (I’m assuming we’re talking heterosexual couples here) who work full time, who still do the majority of the housework, simply because of their gender. THAT’S what I have a problem with.
Except this isn’t true, as detailed above. Watch the video,
do a google search and get back to me once you know what you’re talking about.then go read below.The system, the patriarchy, exists whether or not you deny it. And you will probably continue to deny it, regardless of any evidence I give you, in any form. Tell you what: I’ll worry about men’s issues when you listen to and stand by your sisters, who have been oppressed for thousands and thousands of years… and continue to be.
I’m not denying patriarchy, I’m denying the idea that women are the only victims. If this stuff so far is your idea of evidence, though, no wonder people are denying what you try to tell them. However, since you brought up denying things in the face of evidence, let’s have a go at it.
Tell you what: I’ll listen to what you have to say once you’ve read through the articles I’m going to list, comprehended them and learned something. I’m going to spend ten or twenty minutes that’d have been better spent sleeping to educate you, you do the courtesy of meeting me half-way. These are just the basics, but they’re the important ones.
GWW on: Patriarchy, Power, Terms, and Oppression. (Also Gender Enforcement, Violence, and Systemic Gendered Violence.)
Just-Smith on: Logic, Misandry, (And Again), Reframing, (Take Two), Patriarchy, (A Simple Analogy), Femmephobia, (Take Two) and WATM.
From my own stock: Logic, Feminism, Ten Reasons, Twenty Grievances, Gendered Violence, The “Wage Gap,” (Part Two), Gaslighting and Reframing.
Dutton, Straus, Kelly and Fiebert on domestic violence.
But we can’t prove that men are being victimized by systemic legal discrimination, can we? Of course not.
Except in the courts, health care spending, reproductive rights, government issue representation, support for victims of domestic violence and rape….
I’m willing to teach if you’re willing to learn.
^ I’m not even going to add anything, that pretty much covers it.
The reason you don’t understand patriarchy is because you deny men’s oppression and act as if their oppression isn’t as bad as women’s after you give false examples of women’s oppression. You act as if men’s rights is in direct opposition to women’s rights, and they aren’t. Men’s and women’s oppression are symptoms of patriarchy, and both have gone on for thousands and thousands of years. I assume it’s easier for you to take what I didn’t say though and act as if I deny it completely, because then you’d have to admit that I have a legitimate argument.
Stand by my sisters? Please stop creeping me out with your collectivist bullshit. I have no sisters. I have no brothers. I have me and my little individualist self. If anyone’s not standing by their “sisters”, it’s you, for acting as if women are weaker (the always or mainly oppressed) than men (the always or mainly oppressive). Woo! Female empowerment!
I don’t have to be a feminist to care about women’s rights. It’s actually a necessity not to be a feminist if I care about women’s rights.
